I have had 2 x instances today where I have compiled SL courses to "Completed/Incomplete" based on slide completions, and the clients have told me their LMS is seeing "Passed/Failed".
Is this something that other people have seen, and what's the best way to try and sort this?!
I've never understood the difference, just know that Moodle 2.1 in combination with Win7 and IE9 doesn't play well with our Articulate Studio quizzes when published for Pass/Fail and works fine with Passed/incomplete.
I'm going to duplicate on my own now. Think I have a old pre-SL Update 2 SCORM 1.2 course out there somewhere with completion by number of slides viewed. For giggles, I want to see if I get the same thing.
This type of bug is really unacceptable. I wonder how me all missed it during beta testing.
Yup! I was going to test this and then my company offered an early retirement package so I never got to it. Didn't get access to a LMS then until I was a contractor.
I do think, IMVHO, when it comes to LMS issues and testing, something more structured should be set up for beta testing.
I have another example of this that I logged as a case, (#00321208).
The response has come back that you guys cannot replicate it on SCORMCloud, and so I have to show what is going on.....
I'd like if possible to tie everything up - I think it is the same issue.
With a client, we have discovered that by editing the 4 x JS files below, and amending any occurrence of the word "Passed" to "Completed", we can get the correct behaviour, (just the statement end stubs - not the start of the statement).
Hope this helps, but please come up with a solution for this quickly!
Excellent Justin - and you know the question I am now going to ask......
This adds at least 30 minutes to 1 hour to any publish to edit and double check, so "...We'll be releasing that very soon Bruce..." is I guess what I am looking for here
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I've never understood the difference, just know that Moodle 2.1 in combination with Win7 and IE9 doesn't play well with our Articulate Studio quizzes when published for Pass/Fail and works fine with Passed/incomplete.
Seems like an LMS thing?
A scorm compliant LMS should accept all 4 possibilities.
Should because most dont and their seems to be one or two that work best in certain LMS's
Passed incomplete works nice in Moodle
Any chance of caching issues?
Caching? Maybe.
Problem Phil is that if we go with "Passed" in many LMSs they seem to use that as a cue to advise re Certificates of Completion etc.
Around 3500 modules, exams, tests etc. and never had a failure in 12/13 years - then 2 arrive in one day
Bruce
It seems that SL is passing a "Passed" status to the LMS, despite being compiled as "Complete" / "Incomplete".
Client's LMS suppliers cannot determine why the course is sending back or calling a lesson_status set to "passed".
Bruce
Hey, Bruce! Any chance of letting me see one of the courses? Like to try it on a another LMS and watch what is happening "under the hood" . . .
Sending it over to you by DB as we speak my friend...
Bruce
Hey, Bud!
Just retrieved it. Putting it into the LMS as I write this.
I've seen weird things like this with the Saba LMS, where the LMS "takes over" determining completion from the content if certain settings are used.
On to testing . . .
Well, definitely seeing "incomplete" being passed when I exit early. Now to finish the course. Hope there's no quiz.
Thanks, Bruce! VERY, VERY NICE work.
Definitely seeing "passed" and "incomplete" being sent "under the hood" to the LMS from the Storyline content.
Exactly as they saw despite fact it is set to "Incomplete"/Complete.
Problem is the "Passed" status then tries to produce a Test Certificate!
Fun course to build!
Bruce
I'm going to duplicate on my own now. Think I have a old pre-SL Update 2 SCORM 1.2 course out there somewhere with completion by number of slides viewed. For giggles, I want to see if I get the same thing.
Hmm, seeing the same thing with some SCORM 1.2 content produced with SL Update 1 . . . .
I'm trying to rack my old, old, old brain right now and trying to remember if I saw this during the first beta and reported it or not . . .
And AICC has the same issue. I'm guessing so might SCORM 2004.
This should be fixed ASAP, IMVHO. Something like this should not wait.
I have passed this (and another similar SCORM issue) onto Support to be escalated.
Should not have to edit JavaScript files to make standard SCORM functionality work, which seems to be the case.
Bruce
Agreed.
One could make the case that not passing the desired status violates AICC and SCORM e-learning standards.
Good catch guys. Hope Articulate comes up with a quick fix.
This type of bug is really unacceptable. I wonder how me all missed it during beta testing.
Hey guys. We do have this issue logged and we are seeing what we can do to fix it. Thanks.
Yup! I was going to test this and then my company offered an early retirement package so I never got to it. Didn't get access to a LMS then until I was a contractor.
I do think, IMVHO, when it comes to LMS issues and testing, something more structured should be set up for beta testing.
Thanks Justin,
Do you have a reference for this "in the system"?
I have another example of this that I logged as a case, (#00321208).
The response has come back that you guys cannot replicate it on SCORMCloud, and so I have to show what is going on.....
I'd like if possible to tie everything up - I think it is the same issue.
With a client, we have discovered that by editing the 4 x JS files below, and amending any occurrence of the word "Passed" to "Completed", we can get the correct behaviour, (just the statement end stubs - not the start of the statement).
Hope this helps, but please come up with a solution for this quickly!
Thanks
Bruce
Just wanted to amend something - the 4 files needing to be edited were:
For anyone who is running into this issue, I have just confirmed this workaround functions on Success Factors LMS.
Bruce
Just to let you know, we will be fixing this in the next update we do.
Excellent Justin - and you know the question I am now going to ask......
This adds at least 30 minutes to 1 hour to any publish to edit and double check, so "...We'll be releasing that very soon Bruce..." is I guess what I am looking for here
Thanks anyway.
Bruce
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