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Can't get screen reader to indicate when a listed item is bulleted
Hello. I'm interested in this discussion, because as of Sept. 25, 2020, the situation is the same. The bullet and number buttons in Storyline create visual lists, but they aren't "real" lists, and are read as @Kelly Sims indicated as a "run on sentence." We have come up with tricks that can make this more usable, but NONE work to make it a list that will be recognised by a screen reader (JAWS/NVDA). Here's what we've been trying:
- Put every paragraph into it's own text box. Good: Slows down the screen reader, because it reads each as a separate "paragraph"/object, so if the screen reader is in "read whole page mode" there's a pause, and if the user is pressing keys, they press down arrow to get to each one. Bad: Not a list, doesn't say that it's a list, doesn't read "bullet." Also, the screen reader user can't use list tools with their screen reader, like pressing "L" to jump to a list. Also, high risk of mis-aligning individual text boxes, takes time to do, and text revisions are a complete pain.
- Method #1, except leave the original text box and hide if from screen readers by de-selecting the "Object is visible to accessibility tools" checkbox, and making individual text boxes on a copy of the original. The copies have one paragraph each, and ARE visible to the screen reader. Change their state to "hidden" and then the screen reader "reads" the copies, and the original isn't read. Has almost all the bad stuff the 1st method has, except that revisions and alignment are way easier (because the copies aren't visible so don't have to be lined up etc.)
- Method #2 (or original text box with bulleted list), but add additional alt text at the beginning and throughout, e.g., "list with 4 items, bullet. <item text> bullet <item text>" This makes it sound like you have a real list (good) but (bad) it's NOT a list, so L still won't work to jump to the list, and is really misleading the user.
- Method #2 so you get the nice pauses, and add alt text to each one with ONLY the work "bullet" at the beginning. You aren't telling users that it's a lit, but you are indicating through a) pauses and b) the word bullet that you have various items and they're bulleted.
- Method #2, but instead of adding "bullet" to the alt text, add "(1 of 3)" which seems to be read by screen readers in a different voice, and is helpful to know how many there are.
I'd love for Articulate to, forgive the pun, fix this with a bullet, because there's no way to pass this important accessibility requirement otherwise. Also, every Microsoft Office product has this built in, and there's really no excuse to not have your bullet and number list buttons create genuine programmatic bulleted and numbered lists.
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