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Pre-test issue (Lessons must be completed in order)
Hi, looking for some help.
I've added two button stacks within a section before the pre-test. People can choose to take the pre-test (button stack takes them to the next section which is the pre-test) or choose to take the full module (button stack takes them to the section after the pre-test).
When someone selects the pre-test option, I've tested this and all is working fine (both when someone fails it or passes). If they fail, they are forced to do the full module and then take the end-test. If they pass, they go to the end and exit.
However, the issue I have is that when someone chooses to bypass the pre-test, and select the button stack that goes past this, should they then pass the end-test, the course says "Lessons must be completed in order" and they cannot get to the end. I assume this is because they've missed the previously pre-test completely.
Is there a fix for this?
I've attached two screenshots.
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Do you see this message even with the 'Restrict Navigation' option disabled?
Hi ChrisHurst-1ed0 As I've selected the pre-test option, the restrict navigation option is automatically marked as disabled and you cannot change this.
OliverDeakin-41: I believe your assumption ("because they've missed the previously pre-test completely") is correct.
I reported a similar issue months ago—before they added the pre-test option. My Rise course simply branched for different roles, each with its own quiz. Both quizzes were set to require passing, so a user would have to pass the quiz for their role. The Restrict Navigation button was off, and navigation was controlled via button-stack blocks.
During QA testing, when I followed the 2nd path (i.e., the path "later" in the course) and passed that quiz, I got the "Lessons must be completed in order" message and couldn't proceed to the final lesson (which had a Storyline completion block).
As I recall, support told me that was expected behavior. I told them I thought it was a bug (I still do), but I also submitted a feature request.
Based on your experience, I'd say this issue hasn't even been addressed to allow skipping an official pre-test...
EricSantos: I'm tagging you to ensure the Articulate team sees this discussion.
I think the following fixes to Rise should be high priority:
Ability to include multiple quizzes without requiring the user to complete all of them.
- To fix the issue that started this discussion, a user should be able to skip a pre-test.
- To fix the issue I reported, a user should be able to complete just one quiz in a branching course that has multiple quizzes.
Like Storyline, Rise should also be able to track completion and send data via from any one of multiple quizzes.
EricSantos Hi Eric, i've tried to rectify the issue I've been having by setting the completion criteria to percentage of module completed rather than assessment however, this does not work as even if the end assessment is passed and the module is 90% complete (as the pre-test has not been done), the "Lessons must be completed in order" message appears.
Are there any plans to try and fix this bug as, unfortunately, we cannot use this feature as we need people to have the option to skip the pre-test and complete the full module.OliverDeakin-41: Here's a workaround, though it depends on the capabilities of the LMS.
- Publish two separate courses: one with the pre-test, and one with the content and final test.
- In the LMS, bundle the two courses into one curriculum (or whatever your LMS calls a collection of courses that go together).
- Set the curriculum to require passing only one of the courses.
That would allow completion for users who take and pass the pre-test, who fail the pre-test and pass the final, and who skip the pre-test and pass the final.
Here's one more option, though I usually don't share it anymore: use SL blocks for the quizzing. The course starts with a quiz in an SL block. If they pass, the user can advance to a lesson with a completion SL block. If they fail, they have to proceed to the content, and they're eventually steered to the completion-block lesson.
Unfortunately, after I first published that workaround more than 3 years ago, a major caveat arose: If a user fails the pretest, exits the course before proceeding to the content, and then relaunches the course, the Storyline block will reset. In other words, the user would be able to retake the pretest. So you'd have to consider that as a potential compliance risk.
And in case Eric is on vacation, I'm also tagging other Articulate staff to ensure visibility: StevenBenassi, LucianaPiazza, LaurenDuvall, KellyAuner.
The only solution I've come up with is to make a storyline block the deciding factor for completing the course. However, I am running into a similar problem where they must pass the final quiz after completing the course (when skipping the pretest) and if I set it to "required to pass to continue" I think it's not letting me continue because of that skipped pretest. And I can't set the course to be dependent on a passing score on that quiz...because if they take the pretest, they don't take the second quiz. I need some kind of creative solution to bypass this.
