typing math symbols and exponents in RISE quiz option?? How do you do this?

Thanks Ashley

Never thought of copy and paste from Word. Will try that now for both Mu symbol and exponents. Actually I should also try using ASCII code for Mu i.e. Alt 230 (µ). 

Ok, so now I've explored copy and paste as well ASCII codes for both Greek symbols and exponents.

Copy and paste as well as ASCII Alt230 works for µ.

However, copy and paste does not work for exponents. ASCII Alt252 only delivers 10ⁿ . There is no way to actually type 10 to the power -6 in RISE.

Why is this? or am I missing something.

Its very reminiscent of when I first became excited about Articulate and then Storyline, only to discover science and math educators needs have been largely overlooked. Submitting feature requests also never solved this basic type setting issue.

I can solve the problem by painting my equations in Latex, doing a screengrab and inserting image into RISE question section. BUT this does not work when working with RISE answer section. There, it only expects text.

Hi Alphonso,

Math is not my forte so my exponent formatting may be a little confused - but I was able to type 10−⁶ in a Word doc and then copy and paste that into Rise as an answer. So that's the copy/paste element that seemed to work for me. The minus sign I wasn't able to bring higher than that to the superscript level, but not sure if you need it there? The superscript 6 did work for copy/paste though. 

Ashley, you motivate to me try one more time. I did copy and paste from Word and mine didn't work. I see you using a Mac so I'll shift away from my Windows laptop and move over to my Macbook Air and see if that works. Keeping fingers crossed.

Thanks for that update, Alphonso. Keep us posted on how you make out!

Hi Alyssa and Ashley

Its been a while but this morning I made the shift to my Macbook Air and tried the copy and paste from Word. Did not not desired result for exponents. 

This is what I get when I copy and paste equation produced in Word equation editor

1.00 "x" 〖10〗^6

And this is what I get when I copy and paste without using Word equation editor

1.00 x 106

Is there no anyone else in the RISE community who teaches Physics and Maths, who has solved this issue?

Thanks Alphonso - I'm not familiar with the Word equation editor - when I was testing I just looked at adding in those symbols and superscripts just using the insert option in a Word doc and a Google doc and copy and paste it from there. It did come through to ELH and also into my Rise course. It seems that the Word equation editor is including some additional formatting options that are being striped out as a part of the copy/paste process?  

A colleague was able to find some unicode characters for the multiplication symbol and the superscript 6 that worked (just a bit of web research to track these down). 

Hi Alphonso and Ashley,

We're also super keen to see equation support in Rise — we provide courses relating to finance, which means lots of equations.

While there are alt-codes/copy-paste methods to insert math symbols like multiplication and division signs, one of the more basic formatting techniques we require is for division (see attached example), which can't be forced (using "payroll/turnover" is not a realistic alternative, especially when the formulas get longer and more complicated).

Previously we were using MathJax to code our formulas in HTML, which was working well for us. Perhaps we could see a MathJax 'block' introduced? But a user-friendly text editor like in Microsoft Word (see attached screenshot) would probably be more universally accessible.

Cheers,
Mich

Thanks Mich - those examples are definitely helpful and I've passed it along to the team as a request! 

I've also requested this feature about a month ago. I work with science courses and definitely need the sub/superscript capability! Hopefully it is in the roadmap. :)

I think the problem is there are perhaps too few Maths, Statisticians, Science teachers that struggle with RISE and so an extended Greek symbol and maths operators such as superscript and subscript feature requests don't ever stand a chance of RISEing to the top of a priority list.

The point is, the number of Maths, Stats, Science teacher community cant RISE if these basic features are always missing when we want to create courses.

I think at some point the ARTICULATE developers have to make a policy decision that they wont release any new versions if a certain set standard of typographical features - which we taken as basic - are not part of the package.

It's what makes me stick to iBooks Author etc. (in conjunction with Tumult Hype and Geogebra) when developing online interactive material instead of becoming frustrated with ARTICULATE all the time. There I can even type in Latex commands and its understood.

Some of this felt like actual Greek to me ;-)  I did share this with the team as a feature request and understanding the context for which you're creating courses and need the math equations, symbols, etc. is what can help drive this in our priority ranking, so I appreciate your candor here. As a former teacher myself (history...I stayed as far away as possible from math!) I would love to see more teachers using tools like Rise, and would have loved to have them in a classroom! 

Hi Ashley,

How were you able to do the superscript? I'm using a Mac and tried copy/paste from Word to Rise and it didn't work.

Hi Veronica,

Sure thing - I recorded a quick video of what I did using Peek and it's upload here to Review. Now although I'm on a Mac, I did it in Word within Windows as I couldn't find the insert symbol in Pages...I never use Pages, and don't have Word installed on the Windows side. I was able to do the same thing from a Google Doc too. There you choose "insert -> special characters" and that'll allow you to choose from the superscript or subscript numbers. 

Hope that helps in the meantime! 

Ah OK, I see now you used Windows. That helps somewhat, though I need a superscript A and unfortunately that list is quite limited. You don't know if you can add to it do you?

Thanks for your help.

I could do it in Google docs too and that was on my Mac side. Hm, as far as adding other options to the insert symbols I'm unsure, but when you look at the options to insert there is often a drop down where you can see the varying fonts and types you can insert. 

I've been using LaTeXiT for mac, it's not difficult to use and you can export as image. It's powerful and attractive and looks very, very pro.

https://www.chachatelier.fr/latexit/

https://www.sharelatex.com/learn/List_of_Greek_letters_and_math_symbols

Thanks Juan for sharing that tip - I think the challenge a few of the individuals in this discussion ran into is that for the quiz in Rise you need to type in the answers in vs. adding in an image. Are you able to copy and paste from that tool into any other text programs? Would be curious to know how it works for you in that set up and perhaps that may help some of the folks here! 

Although it isn't comprehensive, I was able to copy and paste a few superscripts from the Latin and Greek tables on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_subscripts_and_superscripts

If someone knows where to find more of these please let us know.

Also Ashley, do you know if this is going to be added as a feature anytime soon (I've already made the request)?

Hi Veronica,

Nice - glad that the superscripts in that article are something you can copy! I'm glad you submitted a request as well - it's really helpful for our team to be able to track those in addition to the forum discussions here. I also passed this along to our Product team and continue to keep updating that based on the comments here, our customers drive our product roadmap, and your suggestions really do make a difference!

Hi Ashley, I read all the posts and the best way is as you describe into your video, using Word that have all the compatibility and standards. 

Glad that's working out for you Juan - and please keep us posted if you need anything else! 

Hi Ashley

I just wanted to follow up on this, and make sure the sub/superscript is still a feature request. Even though I used your workaround, it doesn't work in every situation as I am finding out! This is really important to those of us who use RISE for science and mathematics. I'm waiting on this feature to finish some of my courses. Do you have any update? Many thanks.