Forum Discussion
- Jerson-CamposCommunity Member
TinCan can do so much more than just track course completion and quiz completion. Will this be implemented or expanded on?
- WindySchneiderCommunity Member
Yes, having the option to export as tin can doesn't really help me if it reports the same info as SCORM. It would be great if it reported other interactions, such as which buttons a user selected. Even better would be a edit setting for each interaction to report via xAPI. I want to report on how many learners are selecting a button to watch a video option of the course over reading content.
Thanks for this feedback! We'd love to hear more about the specific interactions you'd like to see reported. If you could take the time to submit a feature request, that would be super helpful.
- CFMLicensingCommunity Member
We are testing Rise based Tin Can exports with TalentLMS. Unfortunately whilst they import to Talent without error they fail to render (using multiple browsers and multiple courses). We have tested against the SCORM Cloud compliance engine (courses worked fine) and also tested against Docebo SAAS solution and they worked fine there. [Storyline Tin Can exports have all worked fine]. We have opened a support ticket with TalentLMS. I'll post to the group the outcome...Regards Nigel
- LanceHunterCommunity Member
I have the same issue
- CFMLicensingCommunity Member
No response from TalentLMS yet....
- DeirdreMooreCommunity Member
Nigel, did you resolve this issue with TalentLMS?
- CFMLicensingCommunity Member
Hi Deidre, Lance,
Not yet - as Eleftheria has indicated we are still working with support.
Fortunately for us, our primary content generation for our critical path work is from Storyline360. Unfortunately there is an Image Capture bug in S360 that is now impacting that initiative.
- JaceFinmanCommunity Member
Hello, Nigel. I use TalentLMS as well but haven't yet tested Tin Can imports from Rise. Did you ever get a response to your support ticket? I'm curious to know the outcome.
- JamesLavis-7f33Community Member
So I understand the functionality of Tincan. I used scorm to push variable defined elements to our LMS, with the LMS only really having the ability to read binary values. We have a new LMS that supports Tincan. So around usage, I get we can export a Rise package for tincan, and the LMS works with it. How do we as developers control what goes up (e.g. John read vs. John completed)? Or is this controlled by Rise, and if that's the case, at what points are tincan elements shot to the LMS?
- JohnSayStaff
Hi James,
You asked "How do we as developers control what goes up (e.g. John read vs. John completed)". The only Export option available for Tin can/xAPI is the "Track using course completion" vs "Track using quiz result" option. There's no "Report completion status as" options in Tin Can like what you usually have if you use AICC, SCORM 1.2 or SCORM 2004.
"at what points are tincan elements shot to the LMS?
" Are you asking when the completion status or score gets sent to the LMS?It is possible to see all the data being sent to the LMS by enabling the LMs debug for Rise. Please check out this article for more information:
https://articulate.com/support/article/Rise-How-to-Enable-LMS-Debug-Mode
- JohnPKurianCommunity Member
Thank you!
Hey Cass! We're working on that feature now. While I don't have an ETA to share at this point, I can say it's coming soon!
And yes, that feature will cover all LMS outputs: SCORM 1.2, SCORM 2004, AICC, and Tin Can.
- DavidMarch-6af0Community Member
sooo, over 4 years now ... is this even still on a roadmap anywhere?
- JuliaMeyerCommunity Member
Hi there! Is there any way (or will there be a future enhancement) to capture xAPI data on learner interactions via xAPI statements? We are glad we can package for xAPI and we'd love to track the engagement and usage data in a similar way as we do for Storyline 360. Thank you for your help!
Hi there, Julia. The xAPI (aka Tin Can) output of Rise 360 sends essentially the same data as SCORM output. Could you share how you're currently extending that capability with your Storyline xAPI output?
- DavidMarch-6af0Community Member
This is pretty comical but it just makes me want to cry. Not sure how such important innovations to the eLearning industry such as this get overlooked time and time again by Articulate. This is the perfect example of why eLearning gets such a bad name with those required to take it and especially for those of us that develop it. The comment above (albeit 3 years ago) "The xAPI output of Rise 360 sends essentially THE SAME DATA as SCORM output" is simply heart-breaking. Then "why" even include the feature if it doesn't advance the platforms use in the industry? Why? This is not the only high priority feature that Articulate seems to overlook time and time again. Please read your users comments and stop replying with the canned statement of "Please submit that feature request to our team"! Be transparent and help US to help YOU in promoting your product .... please!
- VeronicaVolzCommunity Member
Hooray!! Thanks, Ashley. Can't wait to try it out!
- TimKarussitCommunity Member
Awesome, great work!
- IrinaPoloubessoCommunity Member
Dear Ashley,
Thank you very much for the update!
I have a question: since it is technically possible for a learner to mark lessons as completed, without actually watching them (exception: quizes), then to which extent is the collected data on learner's experience accurate?
If each lesson (I suppose) can be tracked with TinCan, (so we can have a data on how a learner interacts with a course), then we will never can collect a realistic data via TinCan, whether a user has watched it.
What is the purpose of this feature, to be able to mark lessons as completed, without actually watching them?
Thank you very much!
- JohnSayStaff
Hi Irina, I think you are referring to the Rise feature that lets users mark lessons complete as documented here:
https://articulate.com/support/article/Rise-Allow-Learners-to-Mark-Lessons-CompleteThis feature lets learners mark unfinished lessons complete in a Rise course if they're already familiar with some of the topics. If you need to make sure that users really watched all your content, I would recommend that you leave the feature disabled.
- HelenaSmith-805Community Member
I am going to follow this thread because I have not used Tin Can Api yet.
- CFMLicensingCommunity Member
Hi Helena,
What product do you use to generate your Content?
- KristenSchmidtCommunity Member
Helena Smith
I am going to follow this thread because I have not used Tin Can Api yet.
I would like to use it as well, but I don't know how to build it into my Rise pages...
I will be attending a virtual cohort for 12 weeks to learn how to start using xAPI. If anyone else is interested, it's a free cohort that runs twice a year: http://www.torrancelearning.com/xapi-cohort/
- CFMLicensingCommunity Member
Hello all,
The TalentLMS Rise TinCan rendering error appears fixed. We have just finished a minor test and it looked great. We'll do more testing over the next few days but if you don't hear anything else on the specific error assume its all working fine.
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