I think this could be a quick discussion...if I use a Storyline block in Rise (for a test for example) will my LMS be able to pull a report from that block on right/wrong answer's using either SCORM/XAPI or Tin Can?
I think I know the answer but wondering if anything has changed or if there is a work around that anyone knows.
Embedded Storyline 360 blocks in a Rise 360 course will not be able to connect to an LMS since these courses are published to Review 360 and not for LMS distribution. Being published to Review 360 means that these courses do not have the necessary files needed to connect to an LMS.
We are using Rise to build SCORM files which are being imported to an LMS. Due to limited functionality of 'knowledge check' in Rise - we are considering to use Storyline to build assessments and embed them into our Rise courses, which would eventually be exported as SCORM and imported into our LMS.
Is this post saying that Storyline assessments embedded into Rise will not work through an LMS?
If your creating a knowledge check or test in Storyline and then importing it into Rise it will work as a knowledge check, however your LMS will not pull any data other than the test has been passed or failed...so if you wanted specific data (what questions were answered correctly and so on) you would have to use Storyline on its own or do the test through Rise. If that makes sense?
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According to this article using storyline blocks to track completion in Rise 360 will do 1 of 2 things:
If the user passes the storyline block quiz and close the browser, the course is marked as complete and the quiz completion and quiz score is reported to the LMS (Yay!). The score is important as many compliance driven organizations have an 80% pass-mark. This value needs to be present in LMS reports if an auditor arrives.
If the user fails the storyline block quiz and (being annoyed) close the browser, the user is STILL marked as complete(!) but no score is reported.
This is a HUGE issue for organizations focusing on compliance as you have to show the quiz score. However, with current functionality it is actually possible for a user to pass a Rise course while failing the Storyline block quiz - I kid you not!
If compliance is not important and you don't need a score reported to your LMS, just use the method described in step 1 of this article.
If compliance IS important use the simplest workaround all together: Don't use storyline blocks to track completion... (And Articulate, please add some kind of warning to your documentation).
Another (and much better) workaround (course file attached):
In your storyline quiz create a blank slide following the last quiz-question - it MUST be before the result slide. You can name it "Storyline has a bug" that's what I did.
Add a "Failed" layer to the slide.
Create a trigger that shows the "Failed layer" if your Results.ScorePercent is less than Results.PassPercent (built-in quiz variables)
Create a trigger instructing Storyline to jump to the result-slide if Results.ScorePercent is greater than or equal to Results.PassPercent
Publish your storyline course to Review 360 - Track the result slide ONLY
Add the course to Rise as a storyline block using the storyline quiz block to track completion.
Publish the Rise course using SCORM 2004 2nd edition or later
do NOT add a Submit Results trigger before the results slide. This is what causes the course to marked as complete.
This method ONLY reports the course as complete if the user passes the quiz AND (more importantly) it ALSO reports the quiz score (this is huge for compliance organizations where showing that score is required).
The only downside is that the number of quiz attempts aren't caught using this method. This is currently not possible as that requires submitting the results - which completes the course.
I'm missing an explanation as to WHY this behavior is happening.
Firstly, thank you so much for your detailed reply and the time you took out of your busy schedule to pull it together - most helpful!
In our course, we have multiple knowledge checks littered throughout the course (one after every topic to assess knowledge). Would you approach above work for multiple assessments within the one course? Or only for one big assessment at the end?
Myself and my colleague are responsible in our organisation for building our courses, but we are not IT technicians and nor do we have any training whatsoever in building eLearning courses or HTML coding, or any kind of coding for that matter - very frustrating and confusing so I really appreciate your response and detailed step by step guide!
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Hello Daniel,
Thanks for reaching out!
Embedded Storyline 360 blocks in a Rise 360 course will not be able to connect to an LMS since these courses are published to Review 360 and not for LMS distribution. Being published to Review 360 means that these courses do not have the necessary files needed to connect to an LMS.
Hope this helps!
I thought so but wanted to check with the people in the know...thanks for the confirmation Joe
Hi Sorry but this post has confused me.
We are using Rise to build SCORM files which are being imported to an LMS. Due to limited functionality of 'knowledge check' in Rise - we are considering to use Storyline to build assessments and embed them into our Rise courses, which would eventually be exported as SCORM and imported into our LMS.
Is this post saying that Storyline assessments embedded into Rise will not work through an LMS?
Hi Stuart
If your creating a knowledge check or test in Storyline and then importing it into Rise it will work as a knowledge check, however your LMS will not pull any data other than the test has been passed or failed...so if you wanted specific data (what questions were answered correctly and so on) you would have to use Storyline on its own or do the test through Rise. If that makes sense?
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Savills Advisory Services Limited. A subsidiary of Savills plc. Registered in England No 06215875. Regulated by RICS. Registered office: 33 Margaret Street, London, W1G 0JD.
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Hi Stuart
According to this article using storyline blocks to track completion in Rise 360 will do 1 of 2 things:
If the user passes the storyline block quiz and close the browser, the course is marked as complete and the quiz completion and quiz score is reported to the LMS (Yay!). The score is important as many compliance driven organizations have an 80% pass-mark. This value needs to be present in LMS reports if an auditor arrives.
If the user fails the storyline block quiz and (being annoyed) close the browser, the user is STILL marked as complete(!) but no score is reported.
This is a HUGE issue for organizations focusing on compliance as you have to show the quiz score. However, with current functionality it is actually possible for a user to pass a Rise course while failing the Storyline block quiz - I kid you not!
If compliance is not important and you don't need a score reported to your LMS, just use the method described in step 1 of this article.
If compliance IS important use the simplest workaround all together: Don't use storyline blocks to track completion... (And Articulate, please add some kind of warning to your documentation).
Another (and much better) workaround (course file attached):
do NOT add a Submit Results trigger before the results slide. This is what causes the course to marked as complete.
This method ONLY reports the course as complete if the user passes the quiz AND (more importantly) it ALSO reports the quiz score (this is huge for compliance organizations where showing that score is required).
The only downside is that the number of quiz attempts aren't caught using this method. This is currently not possible as that requires submitting the results - which completes the course.
I'm missing an explanation as to WHY this behavior is happening.
Tested in SCORM cloud and cornerstone - works.
I've attached my testing course for use.
Hi Michael,
Firstly, thank you so much for your detailed reply and the time you took out of your busy schedule to pull it together - most helpful!
In our course, we have multiple knowledge checks littered throughout the course (one after every topic to assess knowledge). Would you approach above work for multiple assessments within the one course? Or only for one big assessment at the end?
Myself and my colleague are responsible in our organisation for building our courses, but we are not IT technicians and nor do we have any training whatsoever in building eLearning courses or HTML coding, or any kind of coding for that matter - very frustrating and confusing so I really appreciate your response and detailed step by step guide!