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Which LMS is best for Rise Courses?
Hey people! I need an LMS to run courses created in Rise. Here's a list of features. Any recommendations?
e-Commerce:
- Learners can purchase course and watch it right away.
- Paypal or other easy payment system.
- Direct payments to multiple payees
- Require course completion in order to see/take assessment.
Admin functions:
- Advanced reporting
- Learner data on time spent in each course
- Automated quiz grading
- Certificate awarding when student completes course with 75% or higher.
- Interactive exercises and assessments.
- Custom branding
SCORM and API compliant.
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I deleted my last two posts because they didn't seem to be hitting the nail on the head, based on the replies that were coming my way.
I asked for a list of LMS's that Rise 360 could hook up to without incident. I just want to sell courses, not ream out cylinder heads.
Now, aside from art work, I would expect that an LMS could and would simply perform as it should...meaning interact with quizzes and tests. That's all I need.
I'm seeing things like, LMS's not reporting all of the time, sometimes reporting incorrectly, etc. This shouldn't be, period.
All motor vehicles are similar in that they perform the same basic function...getting people to their destination. But why don't LMS's perform this way all of the time and why isn't there a list of lousy LMS's and great LMS's...ESPECIALLY from a company (Articulate) that provides a software that is supposed to "talk turkey" with an LMS?
I just want to sell my courses to people, I don't want to spend 10+ years doing homework...I'd need 5 more lifetimes.
So far all replies to my question have been way off the mark or they were matter of fact in that they basically meant "well that's the way it is, too bad"...which never answered my question...at all.
Bottom line is...it WOULD be TREMENDOUSLY beneficial to me and others I'm sure, to be able to peruse a comprehensive list of tried and true LMS's that hook up to Rise 360.
And like I said...come on, true or false, hot spots, drag and drop...minimal variables.
Let me give you a for instance here...
I like TalentLMS except for the nagging and confusing envelope that Articulate needs to reside in if embedded. They have a nagging button message at bottom titled Course completed or Reset Unit and all that good stuff...that is aside from MY stuff. I had a half dozen people start a sample course and they were all confused. They couldn't wrap their head around the idea that that bottom message wasn't a part of what I created.
So yes, it would have been so much better if Articulate had TalentLMS on a list of possible LMS's and some of the pros and cons of them....instead of me investing so much time on it. BTW, the people at TalentLMS wrote that this couldn't be hidden, etc.
Bottom line again is that nothing will come of this because there doesn't seem to be a need from the people who don't see a need, lol.
Regards,
Harry
I know this is a very old thread, but thought I'd chime in. I know exactly what you were thinking with this question, Harry...because it's one that I've had, often. Literally every LMS I've ever uploaded or tested a Rise course in simply doesn't display it in a way that's logical for the end user, or user friendly. They'll display it in a small iframe, which isn't intuitive for an end user to have to endlessly scroll through, only to have it load new content into the same frame when clicking "continue" at the bottom of a Rise "page." Or they display a "complete course" button beneath that iframe, with no way to disable and logically force the user to look for that "continue" button at the end of a Rise page. From my own exhaustive experience, I've decided that however modern and web-like a Rise course looks, it's simply not going to look how you want it to in any existing LMS. So I end up sticking with Storyline...which is simply not what I want.
Did you ever find a good solution?
HI JA,
When running a Rise course within a LMS, by default most LMS's will run the course within the LMS environment itself.
In those circumstances, what you say is mostly true.
However, there are a number of LMS's that give you the option to run the course is a new window. When a course is set up to run in a new window, the window with the LMS remains open in the background, while the course opens in its own full-screen window directly over the LMS window .
No components or any part of the LMS UI is visible or LMS UX in the course window.
So there is no iframe or other crude work-arounds.
When you exit a course, that window closes and you go back to the LMS window.
That is how we have set up our LMS, and our Rise courses look exactly like they do in the Rise development environment.
I couldn't agree more with this comment. It would be so incredibly helpful if Articulate provided a list of Rise-compliant LMSs for those who want to sell their courses. Simple. I've been investigating this for weeks and have encountered so many headaches along the way.
Articulate staff, please give a list of tried and tested platforms that we can use as a starting point.
After exploring many options I have settled on Thinkific. I was also able to do some custom CSS to remove any duplicate player bars. The content looks great, native, and best of all leaps and bounds less expensive then and other LMS. Firmwater works well, but does not offer any kind of gamification. I was going to do a custom setup with Badgr but it ended up being too much of a pain. TalentLMS was better but still, the experience left something to be desired.
If you are interested in setting something up similar feel free to shoot me an email at augert@me.com. Right now I am designing course curriculum, training, website, gamification, etc. for Qube Masters. www.qubemasters.com
We hope to have over 10,000 users at launch!
Also, to the Rise team, could you please give us the ability to remove the "Course Start Page"? If you did that, it would make Rise the perfect tool.
As a university educator designing and writing a freshman-level course in Personal Finance, I settled on Thinkific as well. For its ecommerce ability, for no extra cost.
By way of explanation, my educational institution desired to recoup the platform (and other costs incurred) by charging students a modest fee ($20 or less); hence, ecommerce functionality at reasonable cost was required. While not a perfect solution, it beats having students purchase traditional textbooks at $75 to $250 each, or undertake eLearning texts through the traditional textbook publishers (typically $55 to $125, for a limited-in-time eLearning subscription). While separate eCommerce solutions existed that could be paired with Articulate, these solutions would have driven the price up for students beyond the maximum $20 target we desired.
However, I do believe Articulate's RISE 360 platform has several advantages over Thinkific, having worked to set up several modules for a course on each. I would encourage corporate trainers, especially those doing microlearning, to use Articulate, for its user interfaces (especially for learners) are exceptional.
Modern pedagogical techniques - including spaced interval learning, retrieval practice, interleaving, microlearning, combining text with pictures and videos and graphics - can all be well-achieved on the RISE 360 platform. I hope to return to the RISE 360 platform, for future course development, once the ecommerce functionality is improved.
I agree. I am just living for the day that a full virtual classroom to really run, not just show, Articulate Content.It’s the best but my platform will not yet support it. Firmwater worked great. It’s expensive by some standards, affordable by others. I did test on Firmwater with perfect results.
Hey Taylor,
I've been using Thinkific for a while now and no probs at all. The double player is annoying, but if you turn off the side bar prior to exporting it removes that issue (but also the navigation). For me that works well as what I end up doing is breaking into small courses and separate lessons in thinkific. The SCORM issue will be for me a future problem, from last contact thinkific are not planning to include due to the API costs
That sounds good but I can only see the option to add material from Rise360 into Thinkific in a specific lesson. I have built a whole course in Rise360 and will sell it to learners through an LMS and I don´t want to rebuild the course again, is it possible to upload the whole course to Thinkific or do I need to divide it up into lessons to upload?
Having just completed an exhausting LMS selection process, I can honestly say that there are far too many considerations to selecting an LMS and that decision should be based on the company and possibly industry needs. Because you can publish your Rise courses to all the typical and standard industry outputs (Scorm, AICC and TinCan), your LMS choices would likely be in the hundreds.
There's a lot more to LMS selection than whether or not it will play content: budget, number of users, number of subportals, whether the LMS vendor offers 24/7 support, whether you can sync active directory through Microsoft Azure, if you can send a learner link by email once the course is published, whether or not you have to reversion a course with each update, etc. etc.
Even once you have found an LMS, always conduct multiple reference checks with other clients. Ask questions such as how supported they feel, what was their onboarding experience like, what would they change about their LMS, Ask for a sandbox environment so that you can experience what it will be like when you publish courses to it. What's the reporting like? How easy is it to find courses? How does the course library work for users, etc.
It is most certainly hard work - I've spent the last 3 weeks in a "spreadsheet comparison coma" but the good news is that I'm happy with the result! Never be afraid to put the time in and get what you need. What works for someone else may not work for you and, yes, some of us have found things out "the hard way" by putting in the legwork or making wrong decisions. Never leave a critical decision like this to a vendor that doesn't know your specific situation/business/industry.
Same boat here, Harry. We have prioritized the use of Rise360, as it is so simple to use. Creating eLearning is a secondary function for our group, and it's more important for us to get the content out there quickly and in a way that is usable.
Many LMSs seem to be playing catch-up when it comes to delivering a friendly mobile experience with responsive content like that exported from Rise.
I would love to hear of some examples from the community where they have had the Rise360 mobile courses display properly and in a user-friendly fashion.
Me too!
The only one that I have found is Firmwater. In fact, their demo lesson are made from rise.
Hey Phillip!
Any LMS that supports AICC, SCORM 1.2, SCORM 2004, and xAPI (Tin Can API) standards will work with Rise 360.
Are you having any specific issues with Rise 360 content in the LMSs you've tested so far? I'd love to help!
Leila (or anyone else) - Have any LMSes risen to the top for using Rise? I'm with Harry in that I know how to conduct the research and have done it before but I'm in a time and resource crunch. The part I don't know anything about is monetization (ie we want ppl to pay for our course(s). We are also a small nonprofit targeting a few hundred active users at most at any given time so many vendors are automatically out for us. I am trying to learn to speak API but also have limited time/ bandwidth for that as well. Thanks!
I tested mine with Firmwater and it worked perfectly.
Respectfully,
Carriann
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But that is starting at $500/month or $6K per year. Is there anything else that works on a per user basis? That wouldn't work for me as we are small.
Plus one for having Articulate staff gather research on this and help their users by sharing this kind of information. Rise is your product - you tell us which platforms you work with! I've done hours and hours of research on my specific case, but knowing which LMSs Rise works best with, which known bugs and quirks exist, etc. would really help. No amount of research on my part is really going to tell me, for example, that if I try to publish my Rise course on Thinkific I'm going to encounter a double player bar. And over time it seems to me that Articulate staff would be best positioned to gather that information (AND work with other companies to sort out the bugs).
Anyone on this yet? I tried Learnworlds, but their player overlaps with the steps in Rise.
Thinkific! Not perfect, but to my knowledge the best fit. Now, Thinkific is not a SCORM platform. Then again, Iæm not missing it so far.
