Great question and I could see a lot of uses for that. It's not currently a feature within Rise to have a sub bulleted or additional indent. I can share that with our team who is looking at ideas for new features and functionality though. Also, you're always welcome to share your ideas in the form of a feature request here.
Hi Ashley, This is a pretty important feature for me - is it something that's now on the road map, and if yes, when can we expect it to be implemented? Cheers, Mich
Do we have any idea when this feature may go live? It's such a fundamental feature that's missing on Rise. I'm just creating my first course in Rise but may have to go back to Storyline which seems a real shame.
While you can create bullets and sub-bullets by formatting the text, if your text is long (or the user views on a smaller device) the Rise approach to formatting means bullets/sub-bullets wrap back to the left margin (so you do not truly get bullets/sub-bullets).
Because Articulate has not provided an editor which allows editing the HTML, the formatting often gets corrupt by incorporating other lines of text and authors often have to start over because we have no HTML control (i.e., nested lists can easily be edited if a true HTML editor is provided).
Rise Lists
The Rise Numbered List and Checkbox list (blocks) work well for the numbered lists and checkbox lists (although I would like more control over bullet/text and line spacing and editing them is a pain because each is a separate item).
However, (1) the "Bulleted List" block is almost useless because of the small bullets used (almost invisible on an iPhone 5), (2) the distance away from the text is too large, and (3) there is no ability to change the bullet - authors should be able to pick any available character or glyph, e.g., Bootstrap, Google, etc.). Note the difference in distance between the bullets and text in this Articulate Community editor vs the Rise "Bulleted list" block. (see attached file)
You cannot use the Rise Lists within any other blocks such as Interactive > Accordion (your only option is to format the text as bullet/sub-bullet and let the text wrap back to the margin...).
You cannot indent or use sub-bullets in any of the Rise List blocks. Why?
We would love to see a responsive two-column lists (e.g., when small screen, move the column 2 list below the column 1 list). This would be similar to the Image/Text block already provided). With no control over the spacing of list text/items, we need to be able to create two-column lists to save vertical space.
I know of no other eLearning software with text formatting that does not provide hanging indent capability! Actually, I don't know of any software or online system that uses the Rise approach to formatting bulleted (or numbered) lists!
Interestingly, the Rise text editor doesn't work anything like this Articulate Community editor (which properly format bullets/sub-bullets as hanging indents -- mostly, since the sub-bullet incorrectly uses the same bullet character regardless of the number of levels). If Articulate programmers need to reference something that works, start with your own Community editor!
EVERY SME who has reviewed a Rise project for us has asked about the formatting of these bullets/sub-bullets (wrapping to left margin). It is ugly and does not appear as most users expect.
When you dig down into the generated HTML for a Rise project, it isn’t that Articulate hasn't been using nested <ul> and <li> to create their formatted bullets/sub-bullets -- instead, the problem is that they are intentionally applying CSS styles that make it appear so ugly/misformed! THIS IS A BUG NOT A FEATURE! PLEASE FIX YOUR CSS! Create and apply new styles, if necessary.
Honestly, we should not even have to ask Articulate for such an obvious fix...this and the ability to move blocks/groups of blocks between lessons and courses should have been incorporated into Rise long ago...
Donald - thanks so much for reporting the wrapping indent bug. We were already aware of it and are currently working on a fix for that. We'll also add some line spacing between the bullets for better readability.
I will also have our team dig into your other suggestions. Thanks again, we really appreciate all your feedback.
Did you take a look at Alyssa's video? Could you share an example of what you're seeing and what lesson you're trying to use bullets in? That'll help us figure out next steps.
Is there a way to make a simple alphabetical ordered list (a, b, c)? The method demonstrated by Alyssa does not work. I tried making a numerical list (1, 2, 3) and hoped that by selecting the text and choosing indent, the list would turn alphabetical. But what I get is a mixed layered list 1, a, b!
Am I doing something wrong or is it so difficult to make a simple alphabetical list? I think that the text editor needs urgent enhancement: formatting options, symbols and special characters, equations, etc. This is so basic for e-learning design.
You can make Sub bullets by using the Tab key in an Ordered list. You'll see the first order is by number, and then the sub-bullets will follow a, b, c.
We'd love to know more about what you'd like to see in Rise, so keep the ideas coming here or as a formal feature request!
Thanks for the reply. I tried that. It doesn't work. Say I have three items that I want to turn into a list (a,b,c). I select the three items and click "Ordered list". I get a numbered list (1,2,3). When I hit tab or "Increase Indent", The first item stays as it is and the other two move, giving me (1,a,b)! If this works for you, could you demonstrate in a quick screecast?
Hi, Crystal. Thanks for the reply and the screencast. Using your text, here's what I need (screenshot attached). It's as simple as that. I don't want it to be a sub-list of a numbered list. As in Word, for example, you can just select your text and transform it into any type of list that you want (with no-sub listing): numbered, alphabetical, bulleted, etc. As a sidenote, note also in your example (minute 0:47), when you hit tab again you get a second-level list with the same type of labels (a,b..). That clearly doesn't make sense. I believe that this is just another urgent improvement needed in Rise's text editor. E-learning involves a lot of text editing and a good text editor (rich formatting options, text-aligning options, equations, symbols and special characters, etc.) is a basic requirement.
Thanks, Mourad. The letters are currently a part of the sub-bullets, but happy to let the team know you'd like to see more options within an ordered list.
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Hi -
Great question and I could see a lot of uses for that. It's not currently a feature within Rise to have a sub bulleted or additional indent. I can share that with our team who is looking at ideas for new features and functionality though. Also, you're always welcome to share your ideas in the form of a feature request here.
Done! Thank you.
Hi Ashley,
This is a pretty important feature for me - is it something that's now on the road map, and if yes, when can we expect it to be implemented?
Cheers,
Mich
Hi, Michelle.
We've got some additional text formatting options on the roadmap, and we'll consider this specific feature as well. Thanks for weighing in on it!
In the interim, a nifty workaround might be to paste a bullet character into a text block instead. Here's a quick Peek at how I might do that.
Thanks Justin — proper bullet indents are super important for readability, usability and accessibility.
Cheers,
Mich
Agreed.
Same here, could really use sub bullets.
Do we have any idea when this feature may go live? It's such a fundamental feature that's missing on Rise. I'm just creating my first course in Rise but may have to go back to Storyline which seems a real shame.
Hey folks! Sub-bullets are available now with the new text editing features we released in August. Here's how it's done:
I hope that's helpful!
Donald - thanks so much for reporting the wrapping indent bug. We were already aware of it and are currently working on a fix for that. We'll also add some line spacing between the bullets for better readability.
I will also have our team dig into your other suggestions. Thanks again, we really appreciate all your feedback.
Adam
Donald, the fix for list item text wrapping and alignment that Adam mentioned has shipped. Thanks for the feedback!
This is so much better, thank you :-)
When I use the Increase Indent option, the text moves to the right, but the bullet symbol stays where it is... can this be fixed?
Hello Darren,
Sorry you've run into difficulty with this.
Where are you adding your bulleted list? Alyssa's post above outlines how to indent your bullet/text.
+1 from me too. It would be great to be able to indent bullets when using the bulleted list block.
+1. I'd like to see this functionality as well.
I am having the same issue. My text just indents, and the bullet stays the same.
Hi Derick,
Did you take a look at Alyssa's video? Could you share an example of what you're seeing and what lesson you're trying to use bullets in? That'll help us figure out next steps.
Hi Ashley,
Is there a way to make a simple alphabetical ordered list (a, b, c)? The method demonstrated by Alyssa does not work. I tried making a numerical list (1, 2, 3) and hoped that by selecting the text and choosing indent, the list would turn alphabetical. But what I get is a mixed layered list 1, a, b!
Am I doing something wrong or is it so difficult to make a simple alphabetical list? I think that the text editor needs urgent enhancement: formatting options, symbols and special characters, equations, etc. This is so basic for e-learning design.
Thanks.
Hi Mourad,
You can make Sub bullets by using the Tab key in an Ordered list. You'll see the first order is by number, and then the sub-bullets will follow a, b, c.
We'd love to know more about what you'd like to see in Rise, so keep the ideas coming here or as a formal feature request!
Hi Ashley,
Thanks for the reply. I tried that. It doesn't work. Say I have three items that I want to turn into a list (a,b,c). I select the three items and click "Ordered list". I get a numbered list (1,2,3). When I hit tab or "Increase Indent", The first item stays as it is and the other two move, giving me (1,a,b)! If this works for you, could you demonstrate in a quick screecast?
Thanks.
Hi there, Mourad! Check out this Peek. Hopefully I understand what you're going for!
Hi, Crystal. Thanks for the reply and the screencast. Using your text, here's what I need (screenshot attached). It's as simple as that. I don't want it to be a sub-list of a numbered list. As in Word, for example, you can just select your text and transform it into any type of list that you want (with no-sub listing): numbered, alphabetical, bulleted, etc. As a sidenote, note also in your example (minute 0:47), when you hit tab again you get a second-level list with the same type of labels (a,b..). That clearly doesn't make sense. I believe that this is just another urgent improvement needed in Rise's text editor. E-learning involves a lot of text editing and a good text editor (rich formatting options, text-aligning options, equations, symbols and special characters, etc.) is a basic requirement.
Thanks.
Thanks, Mourad. The letters are currently a part of the sub-bullets, but happy to let the team know you'd like to see more options within an ordered list.