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I have a client who would like to give participants the option to test out of the course via a Pre-test. The Pre-test will be the same questions but needs to be separate from the Posttest since the Posttest has feedback and the Pre-test will not. They also want the participants to only pass the Pre-test if they get 100%, but the Posttest will only require 80% to pass.
My question is: will their LMS be confused by 2 tests/results slides? Participants should receive credit for completing the course by passing ONE of the tests successfully. I am publishing for Scorm 1.2 (using another LMS is not an option).
You can add 2 quizzes into the course. One way to set this up would be to have a separate results slide for the pre and post test, then a final results slide at the end that will calculate the score from both results slides. You can then report using this final slide to the LMS. You may need to adjust the final results slides passing score, as they may only take the pre test.
Thank you, Emily, for your reply! I have read the instructions and have 2 concerns for my specific situation:
1. The Tip after Step 3 says that learners would have to visit each of the tracked result slides to complete the course. I would like for learners to be able to A. Skip the pre-test if desired and B. If they take and pass the pre-test to get credit without completing/visiting the posttest.
2. The learner has to pass the pre-test with a score of 100% in order to pass. It doesn't appear from Step 3 that I could set the final results slide to allow for the 100% requirement for the pre-test OR the 80% requirement for the posttest.
Do you need to show the actual grade when hitting the results slide, or just that they passed/failed? If you do not need the score, you would have to adjust the final results slide to have a passing grade that would accommodate if they took only one or both of the tests.
My biggest concern is my first question--do learners have to visit each of the tracked result slides to complete the course?
I want learners to be able to be able to pass the pre-test without taking the posttest at all/visiting the posttest results slide, which seems impossible when I read the Tip under Step 3 of your link.
You could have them jump to a results slide without them knowing by using variables. If the pass the pre test you can set a true/false variable to change to True, then have that slide jump to the next results slide if they pass. On the second results slide have a trigger to jump to the final results slide on timeline start if the variable is = true.
I have one more question--for the combined points from each quiz, if I set it to 80%, is the user going to fail when taking only one test or the other?
I am wondering if Storyline is looking at say 100% for the pretest plus 0% for the posttest, if it will average the two and think the user only got 50% and report a failure to pass to the LMS.
So, should it be set to say 40% (half of the posttest in case they take only the posttest)?
You would need to adjust the final slide to account for if they only take the one. You could test 40% and see if that works when taking one or the other or both. This is why it would matter as the whether or not you need them to see the score, as 40% does not look as good as 80 or 100 on the final, but if passing is the only requirement, you could set that final score to whatever works to get them to pass :)
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Hi,
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I have a client who would like to give participants the option to test out of the course via a Pre-test. The Pre-test will be the same questions but needs to be separate from the Posttest since the Posttest has feedback and the Pre-test will not. They also want the participants to only pass the Pre-test if they get 100%, but the Posttest will only require 80% to pass.
\n
My question is: will their LMS be confused by 2 tests/results slides? Participants should receive credit for completing the course by passing ONE of the tests successfully. I am publishing for Scorm 1.2 (using another LMS is not an option).
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Hi,
\n
I have a client who would like to give participants the option to test out of the course via a Pre-test. The Pre-test will be the same questions but needs to be separate from the Posttest since the Posttest has feedback and the Pre-test will not. They also want the participants to only pass the Pre-test if they get 100%, but the Posttest will only require 80% to pass.
\n
My question is: will their LMS be confused by 2 tests/results slides? Participants should receive credit for completing the course by passing ONE of the tests successfully. I am publishing for Scorm 1.2 (using another LMS is not an option).
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Hello Carrie!
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You can add 2 quizzes into the course. One way to set this up would be to have a separate results slide for the pre and post test, then a final results slide at the end that will calculate the score from both results slides. You can then report using this final slide to the LMS. You may need to adjust the final results slides passing score, as they may only take the pre test.
You can add 2 quizzes into the course. One way to set this up would be to have a separate results slide for the pre and post test, then a final results slide at the end that will calculate the score from both results slides. You can then report using this final slide to the LMS. You may need to adjust the final results slides passing score, as they may only take the pre test.
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Thank you, Emily, for your reply! I have read the instructions and have 2 concerns for my specific situation:
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1. The Tip after Step 3 says that learners would have to visit each of the tracked result slides to complete the course. I would like for learners to be able to A. Skip the pre-test if desired and B. If they take and pass the pre-test to get credit without completing/visiting the posttest.
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2. The learner has to pass the pre-test with a score of 100% in order to pass. It doesn't appear from Step 3 that I could set the final results slide to allow for the 100% requirement for the pre-test OR the 80% requirement for the posttest.
Thank you, Emily, for your reply! I have read the instructions and have 2 concerns for my specific situation:
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1. The Tip after Step 3 says that learners would have to visit each of the tracked result slides to complete the course. I would like for learners to be able to A. Skip the pre-test if desired and B. If they take and pass the pre-test to get credit without completing/visiting the posttest.
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2. The learner has to pass the pre-test with a score of 100% in order to pass. It doesn't appear from Step 3 that I could set the final results slide to allow for the 100% requirement for the pre-test OR the 80% requirement for the posttest.
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Thank you!
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Hi Carrie!
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Do you need to show the actual grade when hitting the results slide, or just that they passed/failed? If you do not need the score, you would have to adjust the final results slide to have a passing grade that would accommodate if they took only one or both of the tests.
Do you need to show the actual grade when hitting the results slide, or just that they passed/failed? If you do not need the score, you would have to adjust the final results slide to have a passing grade that would accommodate if they took only one or both of the tests.
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Showing the score is not mandatory. But, if I understand the directions correctly, it seems I would be limited to the lower of the two scores (80%).
Showing the score is not mandatory. But, if I understand the directions correctly, it seems I would be limited to the lower of the two scores (80%).
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My biggest concern is my first question--do learners have to visit each of the tracked result slides to complete the course?
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I want learners to be able to be able to pass the pre-test without taking the posttest at all/visiting the posttest results slide, which seems impossible when I read the Tip under Step 3 of your link.
My biggest concern is my first question--do learners have to visit each of the tracked result slides to complete the course?
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I want learners to be able to be able to pass the pre-test without taking the posttest at all/visiting the posttest results slide, which seems impossible when I read the Tip under Step 3 of your link.
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Thanks!
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Hello Carrie,
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You could have them jump to a results slide without them knowing by using variables. If the pass the pre test you can set a true/false variable to change to True, then have that slide jump to the next results slide if they pass. On the second results slide have a trigger to jump to the final results slide on timeline start if the variable is = true.
You could have them jump to a results slide without them knowing by using variables. If the pass the pre test you can set a true/false variable to change to True, then have that slide jump to the next results slide if they pass. On the second results slide have a trigger to jump to the final results slide on timeline start if the variable is = true.
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Attached is a basic example of this.
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Hope it works out for you Carrie!
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I am sure if other members have other ideas to make this work they will chime in as well.
I am sure if other members have other ideas to make this work they will chime in as well.
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I have one more question--for the combined points from each quiz, if I set it to 80%, is the user going to fail when taking only one test or the other?
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I am wondering if Storyline is looking at say 100% for the pretest plus 0% for the posttest, if it will average the two and think the user only got 50% and report a failure to pass to the LMS.
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So, should it be set to say 40% (half of the posttest in case they take only the posttest)?
I have one more question--for the combined points from each quiz, if I set it to 80%, is the user going to fail when taking only one test or the other?
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I am wondering if Storyline is looking at say 100% for the pretest plus 0% for the posttest, if it will average the two and think the user only got 50% and report a failure to pass to the LMS.
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So, should it be set to say 40% (half of the posttest in case they take only the posttest)?
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Thanks!
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Hello Carrie!
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You would need to adjust the final slide to account for if they only take the one. You could test 40% and see if that works when taking one or the other or both. This is why it would matter as the whether or not you need them to see the score, as 40% does not look as good as 80 or 100 on the final, but if passing is the only requirement, you could set that final score to whatever works to get them to pass :)
You would need to adjust the final slide to account for if they only take the one. You could test 40% and see if that works when taking one or the other or both. This is why it would matter as the whether or not you need them to see the score, as 40% does not look as good as 80 or 100 on the final, but if passing is the only requirement, you could set that final score to whatever works to get them to pass :)
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