We have some e-learning that contains an assessment at the end of the module. However, we only want to allow the user to have 2 attempts at passing the assessment. If the user does not pass the assessment twice and tries to complete the assessment a third time, the module only allows the user to view the last attempt and what answers were picked. So far so good. However, if the user closes the module and then runs the module again. The module allows the user 2 more attempts.
Is there a way of stopping this from happening, or should this be made at LMS level?
Our LMS only allows limiting retries even on restarted quizzes if we use the LMS's built-in quizzing module, which of course is no Storyline artpiece. I'd think this is going to be a consistent issue.
I implemented this on a recent assessment using a simple variable call "number_of_attempts".
This variable starts at zero and increases by 1.0 each time that they do the assessment (in my assessment it is adjusted when the first Q page is displayed).
I have a very simple Slide Trigger on the first page of the assessment that checks the value of the "number_of_attempts" and if it is equal to or greater than the number allowed (in your case greater than 2 - in my assessment - 3) it displays a new layer on that page which is effectively a lock screen.
The learner cannot then attempt the assessment again.
It's simple and it works and doesn't require any LMS functions
(In my assessment I also have a code that can be entered by the user to unlock the assessment but that's probably more than you need)
Kevin, does your LMS allow quiz modules as a whole to be started over? This is the problem we face, not matter what I do "in" the course to control attempts in the current "session", if they end the quiz and come back again, they can start over, giving themselves a new set of attempts.
LMS rules are a constant challenge - more so as I work within an enormous organisation which has multiple audiences so the LMS is configured to meet the needs of the many which always creates issues if we need to do something "slightly different".
The best (and quickest) solution has always been to create a cunning piece of code that makes the assessment within the Storyline package behave as we want to regardless of what the LMS might wish it to do.
Thus the "lock screen" trick which is a simple way to prevent multiple assessment attempts beyond a set number regardless of what the LMS might want to provide to learners.
Hello Kevin, once again, thank you for the tip. I have tried to apply the variable. However, it does not seem to work for me and I think there might be a trigger somewhere that is not correct. If I uploaded the assessment slides, could you kindly have a look at the triggers? It might be easier than trying to explain.
The retry button is linked to the page 1.2 - but the code to display the "Number of Attempts Exceeded" layer is on 1.1. So you should amend the link on the RETRY button to point to 1.1
The code on the Assessments Results page has a trigger to "hide" the retry button if attempts=1. This should actually be hide if attempts = 2
Pretty sure those two changes should solve your issues.
I made some modifications myself and included a speech bubble that counts the number of attempts so you can see code is working as expected - have a look at this:
Thank you so much for this. I have amended what you suggested and the course works perfectly. However, I have tested with our LMS and it seems it is overriding it and still allows the delegate a further 2 attempts after closing the module and restarting. I think we need to take this out with the LMS provider.
That seems to suggest that the suspend data isn't being handled correctly by the LMS.
Assuming you are using a SCORM 1.2 (or Scorm 2004) LMS the value of the number of attempts should be recorded within the suspend data and restored on resuming the learning.
This is why SCORM cloud is so handy - you can point to it working there and ask your LMS supplier what they are doing wrong :)
I've referred to the guide on limiting attempts but can't seem to get the Retry Quiz button to Disable. I've attached the very basic story file if anyone can review and advise.
Just change the object for the trigger to the slide and not the button:
Also (just my view):
- I tend to prefer to use "Greater than or Equal to" statements as this counters for all values above the limit (i.e. just in case they magically get to three)
- Hiding is usually cleaner than disabling (but it depends)
- I usually have the counter button on the page that starts the quiz (rather than the retry button) as it's cleaner (i.e. by putting "2" as the value of the retry you are giving them three attempts not two as the first attempt is zero)
Thank you, Kevin!
I appreciate the fix and the extra advice.
Thank you,
Derek
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Glad that Kevin was able to help you out here, Derek.
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Hi Andre!
Quiz assessments are one of our most popular and customizable features, so let's make sure your course is fully equipped!
First things first. I would start by contacting your LMS support team regarding the refreshed attempts.
It looks like you've already mastered customizing a graded assessment! Let's start with your "Results" slide in Storyline. If you haven't created one yet, here's a simple tutorial.
Next, add a "Retry Quiz" button. You'll be able to adjust the variables to give your users multiple attempts. This tutorial goes in great detail.
After that, you should be good to go!
Our LMS only allows limiting retries even on restarted quizzes if we use the LMS's built-in quizzing module, which of course is no Storyline artpiece. I'd think this is going to be a consistent issue.
Thank you both the for advise.
I implemented this on a recent assessment using a simple variable call "number_of_attempts".
This variable starts at zero and increases by 1.0 each time that they do the assessment (in my assessment it is adjusted when the first Q page is displayed).
I have a very simple Slide Trigger on the first page of the assessment that checks the value of the "number_of_attempts" and if it is equal to or greater than the number allowed (in your case greater than 2 - in my assessment - 3) it displays a new layer on that page which is effectively a lock screen.
The learner cannot then attempt the assessment again.
It's simple and it works and doesn't require any LMS functions
(In my assessment I also have a code that can be entered by the user to unlock the assessment but that's probably more than you need)
Hi Kevin,
Thank you for this. I will give it a try.
Kevin, does your LMS allow quiz modules as a whole to be started over? This is the problem we face, not matter what I do "in" the course to control attempts in the current "session", if they end the quiz and come back again, they can start over, giving themselves a new set of attempts.
Frustrating.
Hi Jerry, that is exactly my dilemma. I will try Kevin's solution and I will post as I know more.
LMS rules are a constant challenge - more so as I work within an enormous organisation which has multiple audiences so the LMS is configured to meet the needs of the many which always creates issues if we need to do something "slightly different".
The best (and quickest) solution has always been to create a cunning piece of code that makes the assessment within the Storyline package behave as we want to regardless of what the LMS might wish it to do.
Thus the "lock screen" trick which is a simple way to prevent multiple assessment attempts beyond a set number regardless of what the LMS might want to provide to learners.
Hello Kevin, once again, thank you for the tip. I have tried to apply the variable. However, it does not seem to work for me and I think there might be a trigger somewhere that is not correct. If I uploaded the assessment slides, could you kindly have a look at the triggers? It might be easier than trying to explain.
Sure Andre - delighted to take a look
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Hi Andre,
Here are a couple of things you should modify:
Pretty sure those two changes should solve your issues.
I made some modifications myself and included a speech bubble that counts the number of attempts so you can see code is working as expected - have a look at this:
https://cloud.scorm.com/sc/InvitationConfirmEmail?publicInvitationId=eaf40df2-ed68-42b9-9425-41e8ddc969a2
Hi Kevin,
Thank you so much for this. I have amended what you suggested and the course works perfectly. However, I have tested with our LMS and it seems it is overriding it and still allows the delegate a further 2 attempts after closing the module and restarting. I think we need to take this out with the LMS provider.
That seems to suggest that the suspend data isn't being handled correctly by the LMS.
Assuming you are using a SCORM 1.2 (or Scorm 2004) LMS the value of the number of attempts should be recorded within the suspend data and restored on resuming the learning.
This is why SCORM cloud is so handy - you can point to it working there and ask your LMS supplier what they are doing wrong :)
Hello,
I've referred to the guide on limiting attempts but can't seem to get the Retry Quiz button to Disable. I've attached the very basic story file if anyone can review and advise.
Thank you!
Hi Derek - easy fix.
Just change the object for the trigger to the slide and not the button:
Also (just my view):
- I tend to prefer to use "Greater than or Equal to" statements as this counters for all values above the limit (i.e. just in case they magically get to three)
- Hiding is usually cleaner than disabling (but it depends)
- I usually have the counter button on the page that starts the quiz (rather than the retry button) as it's cleaner (i.e. by putting "2" as the value of the retry you are giving them three attempts not two as the first attempt is zero)
Thank you, Kevin!
I appreciate the fix and the extra advice.
Thank you,
Derek
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Glad that Kevin was able to help you out here, Derek.
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