Currently the project I am working on is set on having a pre-test and then once you complete the pre-tes, read the article and then finish the quiz.
I need to translate the same into an online course. Can i set it up in articulate to have graded pre-test and a graded post-test. Can I get results for both in the LMS.
Also, need some idea to set up the pre-test, so that it does not feel like a pre-test to the users.
Unfortunately, you can only capture one score for the LMS. This is a SCORM limitation since a SCORM data frame is only designed to hold one score / one completion.
The Tin Can API (next generation SCORM) will change that. Saw a demonstration on the weekly TIN CAN API call last week from Dave Mozealous that recorded activity streams for scored tests independently using Storyline. Pretty neat demonstration.
Ok, if I can't have both th epre and post test as graded. can I have 2 test in the same presentation one in the begining pre-test not graded and then one in the end post which will be graded.
IF I can do this then do I make 1 quiz or 2 quizzes.
You can make one question pool and construct two quizzes from the same pool, pulling questions either randomly or statically. The results slides are how you connect "what is tracked" in the published output.
You can make one question pool and construct two quizzes from the same pool, pulling questions either randomly or statically. The results slides are how you connect "what is tracked" in the published output.
~S
Where can I find step by step instructions to do this.
Sorry, I thought you were running Storyline. You can do this in Presenter with Quizmaker using two separate quizzes. You could also use the same quiz in two different places and point to the end quiz as the completion mechanism.
Oh I'm sorry Sid! I too thought you were using Storyline. But as Steve mentioned, you can do something similar in Presenter.
Regarding how to randomize/pool questions, here's a bit of info about how to do that in Quizmaker.
Regarding the pretest/post-test ... What you might consider doing, if you don't require learners to view the course content upon passing the pretest, is this: create a single quiz and insert it as the first slide in the course. In the quiz properties at the bottom of the placeholder slide, set up the branching so that if they pass, they jump directly to a wrap-up slide at the end of the course, or the course window closes. If they fail, branch them to the remaining content in the course. Then, at the end of that content, branch them back to the quiz for another try. Of course, in this situation they would need to keep retaking the quiz till they pass. Not sure if that's what you intended or not, but I thought I'd put it out there as an idea for you.
If the above suggestion doesn't fit what you need, you could use 2 quizzes. I wouldn't recommend trying to insert the same quiz twice... although it might appear that you can do this by duplicating the quiz placeholder slide in your PowerPoint file, I've seen cases where this seems to create issues with the published output not playing correctly. To avoid that, I'd use 2 separate quiz files. You could create the quiz once in Quizmaker and then just duplicate the file and give it a new name, and then insert that one in the insert each.
No problem... Jeanette, I like the idea or creating 2 quizzes howver, I can only have 1 of them as graded correct?
If that's the case then I thik I might have to take your first suggestion.
We want the users to take the pretest to view the course but they don't have to pass the pretest, even if they fail they can review it and start the course. However, they must pass the post test which they shoudl eb able to access only after completeing the course.
Then there is another component to it (survey) and its going to be a mandatory survey that they have to take in order to print their passing certificates.
Yes Sid - that's right, when you publish for LMS, you'll need to select just one quiz or survey to use for reporting & tracking. You could, however, explore these methods which, although they aren't officially supported, might give you the flexibility you're looking for.
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Hi, Sid -
Unfortunately, you can only capture one score for the LMS. This is a SCORM limitation since a SCORM data frame is only designed to hold one score / one completion.
The Tin Can API (next generation SCORM) will change that. Saw a demonstration on the weekly TIN CAN API call last week from Dave Mozealous that recorded activity streams for scored tests independently using Storyline. Pretty neat demonstration.
Ok, if I can't have both th epre and post test as graded. can I have 2 test in the same presentation one in the begining pre-test not graded and then one in the end post which will be graded.
IF I can do this then do I make 1 quiz or 2 quizzes.
Hi, Sid -
You can make one question pool and construct two quizzes from the same pool, pulling questions either randomly or statically. The results slides are how you connect "what is tracked" in the published output.
~S
Where can I find step by step instructions to do this.
Hey Sid - if you're interested in questions banks (which allow you to pool and randomize your questions), you can check out these tutorials:
About Question Banks
Creating and Editing Question Banks
Drawing from Question Banks
Also, regarding the result slides, here's how you can insert one.
Hi Jeanette,
Thanks fopr the links , however, I am not using Storyline, i am using presenter. Can i do the same in presenter
Hi, Sid -
Sorry, I thought you were running Storyline. You can do this in Presenter with Quizmaker using two separate quizzes. You could also use the same quiz in two different places and point to the end quiz as the completion mechanism.
Oh I'm sorry Sid! I too thought you were using Storyline. But as Steve mentioned, you can do something similar in Presenter.
Regarding how to randomize/pool questions, here's a bit of info about how to do that in Quizmaker.
Regarding the pretest/post-test ... What you might consider doing, if you don't require learners to view the course content upon passing the pretest, is this: create a single quiz and insert it as the first slide in the course. In the quiz properties at the bottom of the placeholder slide, set up the branching so that if they pass, they jump directly to a wrap-up slide at the end of the course, or the course window closes. If they fail, branch them to the remaining content in the course. Then, at the end of that content, branch them back to the quiz for another try. Of course, in this situation they would need to keep retaking the quiz till they pass. Not sure if that's what you intended or not, but I thought I'd put it out there as an idea for you.
If the above suggestion doesn't fit what you need, you could use 2 quizzes. I wouldn't recommend trying to insert the same quiz twice... although it might appear that you can do this by duplicating the quiz placeholder slide in your PowerPoint file, I've seen cases where this seems to create issues with the published output not playing correctly. To avoid that, I'd use 2 separate quiz files. You could create the quiz once in Quizmaker and then just duplicate the file and give it a new name, and then insert that one in the insert each.
No problem... Jeanette, I like the idea or creating 2 quizzes howver, I can only have 1 of them as graded correct?
If that's the case then I thik I might have to take your first suggestion.
We want the users to take the pretest to view the course but they don't have to pass the pretest, even if they fail they can review it and start the course. However, they must pass the post test which they shoudl eb able to access only after completeing the course.
Then there is another component to it (survey) and its going to be a mandatory survey that they have to take in order to print their passing certificates.
Can I achieve this using Presenter.
Yes Sid - that's right, when you publish for LMS, you'll need to select just one quiz or survey to use for reporting & tracking. You could, however, explore these methods which, although they aren't officially supported, might give you the flexibility you're looking for.
Hi Sid,
Have you considered the option of breaking this up into two "courses"?
Going with your other question about how not to make the pre-test feel like a test....
Course #1 = Intro to Bottle Washing
Course #2 = Bottle Washing: How To
If you LMS allows.... make Course #1 a pre-requisite for Course #2 or put them in a sequnced learning plan.
Hope this helps,
Bob
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