From what I understand one a CD-R has been burned you cannot add extra files on to it. You can do that onto a CD-RW but then it would wipe out everything on the CD and then burn the new files on to it.
From what I understand one a CD-R has been burned you cannot add extra files on to it. You can do that onto a CD-RW but then it would wipe out everything on the CD and then burn the new files on to it.
This is my understanding as well. Thanks for the confirmation.
Nick, where would the voice recording be stored for playback in your scenario? I'm having trouble understanding how your example would pair with a Storyline published on to a CD.
You seem to be quite the Luddite on this one Bruce! A whole methodology of language learning was built around the concept of repetition and recording - a practice initiated by the US military and still perpetuated today in some of the less progressive language schools. I think the point of voice recording is to help the learner to recognize his/her mistakes - you can't monitor that very well when you are just repeating - unless you have a teacher present.
Nick - Luddites used to destroy machines.
I am not destroying, I am trying to understand, that is not being a Luddite.
I merely think one can say, listen, say again, listen. I do not see the NECESSITY to record.
Yes it may be a great thing, but if there is an alternative I will always try to find it.
As you're saying, the aim is not to save the learner's recording but to let him listen to his oral production and compare it with the native speaker's production. This is self-training or self-learning in the absence of an automatic speech recognition tool with corrective feedback.. despite advances in technology.
For the audio to be listened to it needs to be saved, even if it is just temporary. Would your learners be able to save the audio to their local drive?
For the audio to be listened to it needs to be saved, even if it is just temporary. Would your learners be able to save the audio to their local drive?
In the language lab, each learner inserts his CD to his computer and listens to a list of phrases (audio already available/saved in the project) then each tries to record his version as closely as possible to the original one. I was asking if this is doable with Storyline and, if yes, how.
I meant something like this (see video) that can be used on a CD instead.
Language learners, notably beginners, hesitate to speak up especially when they are in large groups (10 or more). One way of motivating them is by recording their voices so they familiarize themselves with the word/expression/etc. Their production can still be erroneous, but frequency of exposure and repetition might encourage them to pronounce better each time - becoming more aware of their mistakes.
Also, the instructor can not often correct all given time limitation (a 1- or 2-hour-session).
What about using an online site like http://vocaroo.com embedded on the page in Storyline (as a web object)? Shrink the window small enough to have the playback button of the source file you want the user to compare it to?
Chris, but Vocaroo won't work once the project is published to a CD, right!
Unfortunately, with IT, language exercises are still limited to this: fill in the blanks, true/false, drag/drop, match, cross out the wrong answer, reorder, etc. No big difference from the book/a hard copy except for the integration of audio/video. Automatic error detection and correction is still not viable. Semantic relevance can not be detected. I think that the machine does not replace the human tutor when it comes to lang. learning (beginners).
Just for the records - have just had a conversation with a client of mine for whom I am producing short promotional cartoons - he runs a very successful online/virtual classroom-based language school.
"100% agree with you, I cannot understand how this is better, unless you are learning how to pronounce the language like a native speaker, listening back can help, for the rest in my opinion it is negligible."
So I guess that if this does, (for some unknown reason) end up as being technically impractical, at least you know that there is another alternative that will meet a lot of needs. As many people never reach "native" level, this may be another way to move forward.
Good luck Abir, and please let us know how it all goes.
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I don't think this is possible if the project is on a CD. The user will not be able to write to the CD.
Can you explain the intent of the recording? Might help figure out a way.
Thank you for any helpful feedback.
Instructions to the language learner :
The problem is the users (learners) will need to record their voices while working on the CD (Storyline project published to CD).
How can I insert the Flash built recorder in this case?
Thank you Nick for your bright ideas.
Hey Nick, will your solution work if the course is on a CD?
If they are listening to the course from a CD, what exactly is the point of recording it?
Surely you could just give them a chance to say it aloud, and then hear the correct recording.
I do not get the point / added value of the recording part. Why store it?
Good question, I guess so they can hear how they would sound to others. Your voice sounds different in your head.
Right Nick, especially as learners with little or no language knowledge have difficulty speaking orally in public.
A "third party voice recorder" ? Do you mean a tool like Audacity?
I will google this to learn more about this term - new to me.
I'm quite familiar with Flash, i know the concept.
Cheers
I'm not suggesting they do it in their head (subvocalisation), I am suggesting they speak it out aloud.
@ Nick - repetition and transformation drills do not need to involve recording. When I was learning Russian I repeated aloud, I did not record.
Sorry - I still do not see the necessity to record.
From what I understand one a CD-R has been burned you cannot add extra files on to it. You can do that onto a CD-RW but then it would wipe out everything on the CD and then burn the new files on to it.
Nick, where would the voice recording be stored for playback in your scenario? I'm having trouble understanding how your example would pair with a Storyline published on to a CD.
Nick - Luddites used to destroy machines.
I am not destroying, I am trying to understand, that is not being a Luddite.
I merely think one can say, listen, say again, listen. I do not see the NECESSITY to record.
Yes it may be a great thing, but if there is an alternative I will always try to find it.
Respectfully......
Thanks again Nick.
As you're saying, the aim is not to save the learner's recording but to let him listen to his oral production and compare it with the native speaker's production. This is self-training or self-learning in the absence of an automatic speech recognition tool with corrective feedback.. despite advances in technology.
Hi Abir,
For the audio to be listened to it needs to be saved, even if it is just temporary. Would your learners be able to save the audio to their local drive?
Yup
Yes, Cary :
In the language lab, each learner inserts his CD to his computer and listens to a list of phrases (audio already available/saved in the project) then each tries to record his version as closely as possible to the original one. I was asking if this is doable with Storyline and, if yes, how.
I meant something like this (see video) that can be used on a CD instead.
A personal observation:
Language learners, notably beginners, hesitate to speak up especially when they are in large groups (10 or more). One way of motivating them is by recording their voices so they familiarize themselves with the word/expression/etc. Their production can still be erroneous, but frequency of exposure and repetition might encourage them to pronounce better each time - becoming more aware of their mistakes.
Also, the instructor can not often correct all given time limitation (a 1- or 2-hour-session).
Thanks,
Abir
What about using an online site like http://vocaroo.com embedded on the page in Storyline (as a web object)? Shrink the window small enough to have the playback button of the source file you want the user to compare it to?
For example:
Chris, but Vocaroo won't work once the project is published to a CD, right!
Unfortunately, with IT, language exercises are still limited to this: fill in the blanks, true/false, drag/drop, match, cross out the wrong answer, reorder, etc. No big difference from the book/a hard copy except for the integration of audio/video. Automatic error detection and correction is still not viable. Semantic relevance can not be detected. I think that the machine does not replace the human tutor when it comes to lang. learning (beginners).
Web object should work fine as the flash projector will enable cross domain access
That is great that it can be done.
Just for the records - have just had a conversation with a client of mine for whom I am producing short promotional cartoons - he runs a very successful online/virtual classroom-based language school.
"100% agree with you, I cannot understand how this is better, unless you are learning how to pronounce the language like a native speaker, listening back can help, for the rest in my opinion it is negligible."
So I guess that if this does, (for some unknown reason) end up as being technically impractical, at least you know that there is another alternative that will meet a lot of needs. As many people never reach "native" level, this may be another way to move forward.
Good luck Abir, and please let us know how it all goes.
I'm also interested in how this pans out so please keep us informed of progress!
Abir,
I guess that one question that has not yet been asked is "Are you publishing to CD because the learner community had no or limited internet access"?
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